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The result was keep. Sandstein 05:40, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Article is a BLP with no sources. It would be a major stretch to say that he meets any guideline under WP:ARTIST. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 12:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You discount Thomas Hovind as a source (book not being an internet page), maybe these may convince you better [Greatest forgers http://artfake.net/greatestforgers3.html] [1] [2] [3] [4] - Skysmith (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Response I did not discount it, but since there is no inline citations, no one can tell what pieces of the article are source. Did the entire article come from that source? If so, that's pretty close to plagiarism. I also still contest that he does not meet WP:ARTIST. Nothing in the article shows that he is notable under that guideline. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 18:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- IMO he would not count as a artist, crafter maybe. What he does count as is famous forger. As for first source, there is no copy of exact text so it should not count as plagiarism - Skysmith (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't count him as an artist either, but WP:ARTIST covers all creative professionals. Forging must have some creativity to it. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 23:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- IMO he would not count as a artist, crafter maybe. What he does count as is famous forger. As for first source, there is no copy of exact text so it should not count as plagiarism - Skysmith (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Response I did not discount it, but since there is no inline citations, no one can tell what pieces of the article are source. Did the entire article come from that source? If so, that's pretty close to plagiarism. I also still contest that he does not meet WP:ARTIST. Nothing in the article shows that he is notable under that guideline. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 18:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Notable by the Cabinet (magazine) article and NY Times story[5]. There seem to be more references that I don't have access to (1) the book reference in article; (2) a film about him, Ruins (1999)[6][7]; (3) Esther Pasztory, "Truth in Forgery", RES: Anthropology and Aesthetics, No. 42 (Autumn, 2002), pp. 159-165[8] . --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Colapeninsula. When an entire film is made about a subject, that subject is notable. --Oakshade (talk) 02:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 08:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Colapeninsula, following Oakshade's reasoning. I do suggest, however, that additional relevant sources be added to the article.Marikafragen (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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